sign69: it is isn't it...just not the same one they're on.
gate:  & yet there teleportacia is exactly that
womanonfire: hello
sign69: there's only one game around right now
gate: wof..hi
womanonfire: game... around....
gate: lia will be very happy
sign69: siters
sign69: sisters
womanonfire: lia... happy.... sisters?
sign69: I hate buttons
sign69: I hate rollovers
gate: got to leave again...
sign69: I hate point and click
womanonfire: bye gate.... talk to you later
womanonfire: point and click sux
gate: byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
womanonfire: so what do you like sign?
womanonfire: you gotta click sometimes
sign69: can't remember
womanonfire: sometimes you gotta do the multimedia shuffle
sign69: it's all I do make buttons and click them
sign69: would be better if I got paid for it
womanonfire: i know what you mean
womanonfire: you could always make stuff that does not like to be clicked
sign69: but maybe if I could remember 
sign69: he's spying again 'cos he's paranoid about my foul mouth
womanonfire: who's spying
womanonfire: what foul mouth :-)
sign69: and all the nasty rumours I spread about him and hell in the mail groups
sign69: fuck off
sign69: PHraaap
womanonfire: ha ahhahahaha
womanonfire: rumors are fun! tho
sign69: hmmmm
womanonfire: hmmmm
sign69: I don't like the one about me and atty
womanonfire: i havent heard any of these rumors....
sign69: if we are going to have a meaningful relationship we don't need all this added pressure
womanonfire: are they lies all lies
sign69: no smoke without fire
sign69: rumours are easy
womanonfire: yes a relationship must be built on trust and freedom
sign69: and fun
womanonfire: :)
sign69: hell should just make rumours
womanonfire: new rumors generated fresh daily!
sign69: I'm freshly atrophied
sign69: atrophy works on longer timelines than divorce
womanonfire: i am really sleepy
sign69: girls
sign69: annoyingly fun
womanonfire: yeah, chicks, man
sign69: or annoyingly sleepy
sign69: hens
womanonfire: well no sleep for me
sign69: mares!!!
sign69: mares sleep standing
womanonfire: just another cigarette
sign69: hmmm maybe when I do a new site
sign69: so many ciggies punctuate my boredom
womanonfire: will you show mares?
sign69: atrophia
womanonfire: sleeping
womanonfire: ah good name for a site
sign69: yes mares being disembowelled isa very expressive motif
womanonfire: so are you sorry i pulled you into hell yet
sign69: plenty of room for flamboyant brushwork and textures
sign69: don't know yet
womanonfire: hell is a good metphor i'm beginning to thing ken really is satan
sign69: I'm sorry I'm not doing much else
sign69: like house building and analog stuff and writing and ....
womanonfire: what else do you want to do?
sign69: ken is jewish
womanonfire: hahahaha... even better!
sign69: so kind of weird thinking or at least weird communicating
sign69: but not as weird as some....
womanonfire: nothing but trouble
sign69: sounds like the song of digitalia
sign69: the virtual trap
womanonfire: we sholud send out rumors that hell is a cult
sign69: it is a cult
womanonfire: and we are waiting for the mothership to come
sign69: thats what I tell everyone who mails me about it (not many)
sign69: I also say I'm not a real member
womanonfire: lier
womanonfire: you are our patron saint
sign69: nobody is perfect
womanonfire: :D
sign69: fuck off
sign69: PHRaap
womanonfire: i knew that would make you smile
sign69: I was really impressed by th meikoryu posts in rhizome
sign69: sorry but you really are very stupid...cool line
womanonfire: they have changed your life forever, have they
sign69: you could feel gate being pissed
womanonfire: hahaha
womanonfire: its great
womanonfire: he should lighten up
sign69: and I'm sure he was rogermexico too
womanonfire: everyone should
sign69: and yes I got conned into digital and now I'm trapped with no way out
womanonfire: trapped in this little box
womanonfire: me too
sign69: he says he's got big debts which impresses me
sign69: because I'm too poor to be allowed even little ones
womanonfire: join the club
sign69: I nearly made the break and then my van broke down on a french motorway
sign69: so close and yet so far
womanonfire: sux
sign69: you don't tell people what to do you give them opportunities
womanonfire: lets just smoke ourselves to oblivion thene shall we
sign69: I intend to get smashed saturday when my welfare cheque comes through
womanonfire: excellent
sign69: then feeling bad will make forget about other stuff
sign69: like a pole
womanonfire: dont feel  bad ph
womanonfire: phill
womanonfire: lllll
womanonfire: only good
sign69: work is frustrating
sign69: after years of doing everything pretty well
sign69: you get to want to make things only under ideal situations
sign69: like studio and distribution etc
womanonfire: yes
sign69: otherwise it is too hard to keep going for serious work
womanonfire: yes
womanonfire: i dont know
sign69: it's not about making the oppressed feel worse
sign69: it's about making the "successful" feel better
womanonfire: is there any such thing as an ideal situation though
sign69: relatively for sure
womanonfire: yes ..........
womanonfire: sure ...........
sign69: when I first saw mckeans house/studio
sign69: I thought he'd think I was a "real" genius and buy all my paintings....
sign69: he's still never seen any of my work but he saw a friends
womanonfire: but you felt used by them
womanonfire: right
womanonfire: seemed like you did
sign69: and she saw that he was majorly impressed but nothing....
womanonfire: nothing.....
womanonfire: cant expect nothing
sign69: no that was max and tom
womanonfire: from nobody
sign69: I got them the gig
womanonfire: oh yeah
sign69: and they did good out of it
sign69: and I got pushed aside and now I'm an embarassment
womanonfire: to whom 
womanonfire: dammit phil fuck em
sign69: well like it was complicated
womanonfire: they dont matter
womanonfire: its ok
sign69: I knew everyone involved ...first
sign69: they were are the only people I know in this country
sign69: so it's made social and professional life zero and I can't afford even to get back to france...
sign69: moan whine moan whine whinge moan whine
womanonfire: its ok
womanonfire: i dont mind
sign69: well it's computers too
womanonfire: really
womanonfire: damn computers ! ;)
sign69: it's a bit like you invest and you can't do anything until there is a pay off
womanonfire: wel....
womanonfire: you have to keep woking
sign69: OK lets talk about the nice things after work when the nice weather happens
womanonfire: no
sign69: I'm going to drive round europe
womanonfire: not about that
sign69: yup
womanonfire: about believing in something
womanonfire: you do
womanonfire: or you wouldnt be where you are
womanonfire: just my opinion
sign69: gate should sell the hell idea as something literary or film or something
womanonfire: so funny... i wish he would quit trying to sell
sign69: I don't know
sign69: I wish he'd sell
womanonfire: nerve wracking business
sign69: any news from peter?
womanonfire: selling is good i know
womanonfire: peter?
womanonfire: ride?
womanonfire: ???
sign69: thats the funny feeling from rhizome
sign69: lots of lecturers etc
womanonfire: peter? who?
sign69: with situations I'd kill for
sign69: and they romanticise hell
sign69: ctrlalt
womanonfire: well hell is romantic, isnt it
womanonfire: not real
sign69: thats the man
sign69: yes real
womanonfire: maybe real
sign69: peter luining flatlander
womanonfire: oh another one of tthem
sign69: wooden shoes rides a bicycle lives in a windmill
womanonfire: :-)
sign69: he's on the circuits I think as amsterdam is
womanonfire: really
sign69: grants and shit and reciprocated travelling shows
womanonfire: hmmmm
sign69: arts money
womanonfire: arts money.....
sign69: yup
sign69: museums lectures events symposiums etc
womanonfire: fuck em
womanonfire: w=o=r=k
womanonfire: yours.
sign69: tahts why I want a little money so I can not crawl every day in the hope of a few days minimum wages for months of consultation and slavery
womanonfire: yes
sign69: CU in hell....
womanonfire: see... belief
womanonfire: yes CU you too
sign69: don't know
sign69: not many even of them here
womanonfire: no
sign69: bzzzz?
womanonfire: fewer all the time
sign69: thugh it's hard to leave I know
womanonfire: yes
sign69: I'll be tickled to death to go
womanonfire: i'm not leaving
sign69: good byeee
womanonfire: i am stuck here
sign69: don't cyeee
sign69: wipe the tear baby dear
sign69: from your eyee
womanonfire: nice lullabyeee
sign69: soldiers going to the trenches
sign69: there died a myriad and of the best amongst them
sign69: for an old bitch gone in the tooth 
womanonfire: indeed
sign69: for a few dozen battered books
sign69: for a score of broken statues
sign69: lia gone me too gotta be sensible
womanonfire: lias gone?
sign69: taking the car to the garage in 3 hours
womanonfire: was lia here
sign69: no one there but gate
sign69: taking notes
womanonfire: ok 
womanonfire: humm.
sign69: for the CIA
womanonfire: gates not all bad tho 
sign69: and the jehovahs witnesses
sign69: no body is all bad
womanonfire: at least hes trying something
sign69: yeah he has a dream to sell
womanonfire: dragging us all down wiht him
sign69: yup
womanonfire: we shall se whats down there soon enough
sign69: into his mystery and PH33R fantasmes
sign69: I'm orph
sign69: I come in get what I want
sign69: look back
sign69: lose it
womanonfire: realness is all that will be left standing
sign69: get out
sign69: get torn apart
sign69: ozymandias
womanonfire: yes
sign69: I haven't looked at myths for a while
womanonfire: maybe its time
sign69: they can be quite absorbing
sign69: hmmm
sign69: kind of did it already
womanonfire: i like the one about the guy pushing the boulder up a hill
sign69: I need a new approach to it
sign69: yeah they've got those nasty recurring dreams off
sign69: and tantalus and prometheus
sign69: and damacles
sign69: and narcissus
womanonfire: and orpheus
sign69: and dionysus
sign69: and icarus
sign69: oh wow your on vid
womanonfire: yes!
womanonfire: another cigarette....
sign69: hmmm
sign69: working on the chain
womanonfire: yes burning slowly
sign69: maybe computers are just a symptom of nicotine addiction?
womanonfire: :-) !
sign69: I should smoke pot
womanonfire: maybe
sign69: I just then get tired and go to bed
womanonfire: we are probably going to show our HELL.EVENT to all of you@them tommorrow
womanonfire: just warning you in advance
sign69: about time too
womanonfire: these things take time
womanonfire: time time time time time time....
sign69: don't know
sign69: either I do it quick or it don't get done
womanonfire: i cant work that way
womanonfire: i never want to let it go
sign69: wish I could work another way
womanonfire: dont really want any of you to see it
womanonfire: but whats done is done
womanonfire: and ken wants itt
sign69: I got over any self consciousness
womanonfire: and Z wants it
sign69: like if people say it's crap
sign69: I go oh wow thanks I hadn't noticed
womanonfire: :)
sign69: kind of like delegating judgement
sign69: it really doesn't matter
womanonfire: just nervous
womanonfire: dont tell anybody
sign69: but maybe thats why I don't get taken seriously
womanonfire:  i want to appear that i know what im doing
sign69: never worry much about art stuff just feel more or less OK with it
sign69: life is a totally different ball game though
womanonfire: i guess so
womanonfire: seems the same to me........
sign69: I guess people go through different phases
womanonfire: ya
sign69: I used to take art very religiously seriously
sign69: but I've ben trying to get it into perspective since
sign69: everything is knid of interesting if you want it to be
sign69: I'm catching gates spelling disorder
womanonfire: right
womanonfire: you just have to want it
sign69: I really like the bit of text I stole from somewhere
womanonfire: ?
sign69: about how it's the remnants of affection or something
sign69: that have carved a trace in the mind
womanonfire: ruin hath taught me thus to ruminate
sign69: hmmm
womanonfire: shakespeare
womanonfire: some sonnet or other
sign69: yup the only people who philosophise are drunks and misfits
womanonfire: cool you be the drunk and i'll be the misfit
sign69: I get greedy with certain classifications
womanonfire: what you want to be both
womanonfire: leave somthing for the rest of us
sign69: hey I earnt it PHaaarp
womanonfire: :)
sign69: they should just put smileys into the fonts
womanonfire: well i gotaa go finish this monstrsity
sign69: kind of dum idea that makes money
womanonfire: good talking to you
sign69: got to channel that lightening into the beast
womanonfire: verily
sign69: lo
womanonfire: goodnight
sign69: yea tho I walk in the valley
sign69: goodnight